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Bedankt!

Nee, casten "without paying its mana cost" is een alternative cost, net als overload, en je kan niet meerdere alternative costs tegelijk gebruiken.

Mag ik Mizzium Mortars overloaden als die bovenop ligt en ik deze cast met Galvanoth?

gister 3x uit 4 pakjes getrokken. Geweldig!

Nee het is geen kicker maar het werkt wel zo. Je betaald een extra costa en er gebeurd iets extra/meer.

@Dustin Overload [cost] means "You may choose to pay [cost] rather than pay this spell's mana cost" and "If you chose to pay this spell's overload cost, change its text by replacing all instances of the word ‘target' with the word ‘each.'"

Dus niet een soort kicker

Niet alleen de reminder text, ook de text in de Comp Rules is erg misleidend: er wordt gebruik gemaakt van het woordje "replace", maar het werkt gewoon als een soort kicker.

Neemt niet weg dat dit een zeer goede en leerzame discussie was! Thanks Wizards for choosing obscure wordings

Saaaaweeeeeeeeeet

Antwoord gevonden. Overload wordt meegecopied.

You can't choose to pay any additional costs for the copy. However, effects based on any additional or alternative costs that were paid for the original spell are copied as though those same costs were paid for the copy too. For example, if you copy a spell that you cast by paying its overload cost, the copy will resolve as though its overload cost had been paid as well.
- Nivix Guildmage Rulings, Return to Ravnica FAQ

Graag gedaan, maar ik hoop het te weten voor de prerelease want indien optie1, dan wordt izzet een stuk sterker kwa keuze
Wel even noteren dat overload, you dont control zegt. Dus 2hg gangers opgelet, je ragt je teammate ook stuk

Overigens bedankt voor de vraag, want ik vond het een leuke en vooral leerzame discussie.

Geen 100% zekerheid, we wachten op CompRules met de exacte wording van Overload.

Optie 1: Overloaden wordt gezien als keuze (net als kicker), en wordt meegecopied.
Optie 2: Overloaden is een text-changing effect, en text-changing effects worden niet meegecopied.

Dus hoe werkt overload nu met copy effecten?

Aha... Ik was daarnaast van dit stukje niet op de hoogte:

"A spell may require some targets only if an alternative ... cost ... was chosen for it"

Thanks.

Voordat je targets kiest moet je al aangeven of je voor de alternatieve cost zal gaan, dus dat is op zich geen probleem.

601.2b If the spell is modal the player announces the mode choice (see rule 700.2). If the player wishes to splice any cards onto the spell (see rule 702.45), he or she reveals those cards in his or her hand. If the spell has alternative or additional costs that will be paid as it's being cast such as buyback, kicker, or convoke costs (see rules 117.8 and 117.9), the player announces his or her intentions to pay any or all of those costs (see rule 601.2e). A player can't apply two alternative methods of casting or two alternative costs to a single spell. If the spell has a variable cost that will be paid as it's being cast (such as an {X} in its mana cost; see rule 107.3), the player announces the value of that variable. If a cost that will be paid as the spell is being cast includes hybrid mana symbols, the player announces the nonhybrid equivalent cost he or she intends to pay. If a cost that will be paid as the spell is being cast includes Phyrexian mana symbols, the player announces whether he or she intends to pay 2 life or the corresponding colored mana cost for each of those symbols. Previously made choices (such as choosing to cast a spell with flashback from a graveyard or choosing to cast a creature with morph face down) may restrict the player's options when making these choices.

601.2c The player announces his or her choice of an appropriate player, object, or zone for each target the spell requires. A spell may require some targets only if an alternative or additional cost (such as a buyback or kicker cost), or a particular mode, was chosen for it; otherwise, the spell is cast as though it did not require those targets. If the spell has a variable number of targets, the player announces how many targets he or she will choose before he or she announces those targets. The same target can't be chosen multiple times for any one instance of the word "target" on the spell. However, if the spell uses the word "target" in multiple places, the same object, player, or zone can be chosen once for each instance of the word "target"
(as long as it fits the targeting criteria). If any effects say that an object or player must be chosen as a target, the player chooses targets so that he or she obeys the maximum possible number of such effects without violating any rules or effects that say that an object or player can't be chosen as a target. The chosen players, objects, and/or zones each become a target of that spell. (Any abilities that trigger when those players, objects, and/or zones become the target of a spell trigger at this point; they'll wait to be put on the stack until the spell has finished being cast.)